Yeah, dcman, i am a fan of the bullets. i have a design that works for the gullwing ( typical) type curved doors. one spans the the cross section and is bolted in the center. i used it for a long time but it had flaws that I could not work out, self tightening being the offender. the other is k.a.m.'s design where it uses schedule 80 seamless pipe and uses 1/2" rod. They are genious when needed but currently this is what I use. The bullets are low cost, work like a dream, i have seen no need to do anything else, the old " if it ain't broke...why fix it" Someone can school me on the errors of my ways, Wreckless is always open to a better mouse trap, i just enjoy what i do and help where I can, it has been extended to me, i pay it forwarddcman (The Czar) wrote:Nice.....and I see your a fan of the bullet hinges?